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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by D.T. Nethery » 10 Oct 2013, 13:20

dperro wrote:I don't think I saw those notes. With me, it was Chris and Schibs yelling at us repeatedly to "never shift and trace" and so I didn't.
Probably because they had seen how the technique could be abused and didn't want to go down that road.

When I was at Sheridan one of our first year teachers , Dick Friesen, used to walk around to our desks while we were working and say: "Put out that light ! Roll those drawings and eyeball it , ya lazy bastards" . He wanted us to inbetween entirely by rolling the drawings , making marks (dots or X's) as guides, and building up the in-between drawing lightly with blue pencil before finishing the drawing with black pencil , all while constantly flipping/rolling the drawings and turning on the backlight only to check the accuracy of our line placement , but with no backlight turned on while drawing . This was very good discipline to learn to inbetween that way. Actually, the exercises we were doing at that point were breakdown drawings between two extremes , not close line-between-line inbetweening. Later of course he admitted to us that pros use the backlight all the time for accurate close inbetweening and trace-backs , but he didn't want us getting attached to using the backlight as a "crutch" .

dperro wrote:Until one day when they pulled all the inbetweeners to look at a Ralph's eyes popping due to an inbetweener shifting and tracing. I was shocked to see it was a scene I tweened for Hilary. I went to Chris and told him I NEVER shift...and apologized to Hilary. The problem was due to the keys being far apart and NOT shifting. After that I figured it out and at some point Nik secretly pulled all the inbetweeners together and gave us a class on how to do it properly. Made my life a lot easier!
Well, that's it , of course. Like so many other things in animation there's a knack to doing it properly that one picks up along the way. (most of this stuff is hard to put into books ; usually it's passed along from artist to artist as you describe: "at some point Nik secretly pulled all the inbetweeners together and gave us a class on how to do it properly" .) The technique needs to be used with a certain discretion and a well-trained eye.



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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by elmisilhumano » 17 Dec 2013, 19:33

For some reason when I push the END button of manual Flip I lose the drawing I'm working on. I can get it back by several undos but just for the info Mads.

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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by Mads Juul » 17 Dec 2013, 19:40

elmisilhumano wrote:For some reason when I push the END button of manual Flip I lose the drawing I'm working on. I can get it back by several undos but just for the info Mads.

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Remember:
It only works on 3 drawings
Always press start begore flippimg
Always press end when finished flipping.

Else can you post a screenshot with you layer and the lighttable settings visible?
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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by elmisilhumano » 17 Dec 2013, 19:59

madsjuul wrote: Else can you post a screenshot with you layer and the lighttable settings visible?
-mads
Here is the screenshot.
After flipping I push the end button and the drawing is still there but when I move in a time line I lose the drawing. The number of needed undos seems to be relative of number of flippings. :shock:

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Post by Mads Juul » 17 Dec 2013, 20:05

I will look at it. I made the manual flipping more like a proof of concept im not really using it my self, wo maybe it dosen't work. I get back when i find out.
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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by Mads Juul » 18 Dec 2013, 08:20

elmisilhumano wrote:For some reason when I push the END button of manual Flip I lose the drawing I'm working on. I can get it back by several undos but just for the info Mads.

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Hi Mikko . I loooked at it, and I dont know how to fix it. So You should not use my Manual flip, it is not working. Sometimes the Drawing will be deleted as you mentioned.
So lets hop that at some pint flipping the out of pegs drawings will be possibble.
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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by elmisilhumano » 18 Dec 2013, 09:57

madsjuul wrote: Hi Mikko . I loooked at it, and I dont know how to fix it. So You should not use my Manual flip, it is not working. Sometimes the Drawing will be deleted as you mentioned.
So lets hop that at some pint flipping the out of pegs drawings will be possibble.
Thanks anyways for your effort Mads. And I can use it if I save before and if the drawing is deleted just couple of undos hopefully bring it back :wink: .

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Post by Mads Juul » 18 Dec 2013, 10:19

elmisilhumano wrote: Thanks anyways for your effort Mads. And I can use it if I save before and if the drawing is deleted just couple of undos hopefully bring it back :wink: .
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I found out. I was focusing on some complex solution, So i didnt realize it was a simple scripting mistake. I forgot to unlock layer before I pasted drawing.

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Post by elmisilhumano » 18 Dec 2013, 10:23

Thanks Mads! You work like a cow! :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by Mads Juul » 18 Dec 2013, 10:35

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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by furushil » 13 May 2015, 13:13

dperro wrote:Here is the video that explains why manual flipping, back and forth, is important when using "Off the Pegs" for shift and inbetweening.
Fabrice wrote:And we added the ""flip book + OOP"" shortcut since the 10.5. But ok you don't have (yet) the manual control over that specific flip option. :)
I was wondering if the option to flip manually between OOP drawings has been implemented in TVPaint 11?
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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by Fabrice » 13 May 2015, 13:22

furushil wrote:I was wondering if the option to flip manually between OOP drawings has been implemented in TVPaint 11?
yes, it has been implemented in the flip panel :)
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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by furushil » 13 May 2015, 13:43

I see, yes, it works perfectly, amazing, thank you :shock: :!: (I have never used the flip panel before)
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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by Fabrice » 13 May 2015, 14:04

yes, we couldn't answer to all requests in the v11, but at least this one was done ;)

One missing option though is to be able to use several colors in the image marks panel. It will be developped later.
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Re: MJ Out Of Pegs Panel

Post by NathanOtano » 12 Dec 2015, 10:59

Hey

Wanted to say thanks again for your panel that I still use really really often.

I created two modified versions that i wanted to share :

[...]_Autostart.tvpx : I modified is so it autostarts when i use a manual flip button. Usefull if you don't need to come back to specific light table value when you stop flipping, if you just always want the value that was set just before flipping.

[...]_Autostart_end.tvpx : this is another version that ends automatically when you go back to your current frame, the aftereefect is that you see your light table in this frame (so it's slower if you out of pegged large resolutions, but if you set the opacity of the light table to 0 before using it it's the same and as fast behaviour as above). But i personnally prefer to see a clean frame when flipping then go back to my light table preset so i don't use it.
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