TVP compared to Retas

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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by Jet » 04 Apr 2016, 09:52

Fabrice wrote:Hi there,

Have you tried the 11.0.3 new coloring options ? : http://forum.tvpaint.com/viewtopic.php? ... 074#p91074" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some have been created with this topic in mind + various feedbacks from japanese studios.

Keep sending feedbacks so we will keep improving.
What rock have I been living under to have missed that update?

Good job, you nailed it perfectly.

Toonz replaced Retas for me handling this job yesterday, TVP just replaced Toonz today. :mrgreen:

Thanks!
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TVP: 10.5.7 Pro [x64] / 11.0.8 Pro [x64]

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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by Fabrice » 04 Apr 2016, 10:39

thanks. 8)

If you see anything that should be improved, let us know.
With all feedbacks we had from japanese studios, I still have some ideas that can be implemented in the V11 (11.0.4 ?), and some others that will be implemented later in the next engine.
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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by ten_zero » 05 Apr 2016, 03:46

Fabrice wrote:Hi there,

Have you tried the 11.0.3 new coloring options ? : http://forum.tvpaint.com/viewtopic.php? ... 074#p91074" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some have been created with this topic in mind + various feedbacks from japanese studios.

Keep sending feedbacks so we will keep improving.
The team, you did it !

I read the announce and sharing on Japanese language topic yet : Have you got some information about the new fill tool for ready only Professional Edition or useful on Standard Edition, too ???

When you or an new International sales manager have a time, it's time to update "compare TVP 11 Pro / Std function" list.

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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by Fabrice » 06 Apr 2016, 13:11

It's in both versions.
When you or an new International sales manager have a time, it's time to update "compare TVP 11 Pro / Std function" list.
Indeed. Thierry will work on the website change when possible.
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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by ten_zero » 07 Apr 2016, 08:19

Fabrice wrote:It's in both versions.
  • Thank you, I added the article information.
Indeed. Thierry will work on the website change when possible.
  • Poco a poco.
    He seems to face a serious problem why TVP 11.0.3 become zooming view lag on OSX.

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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by Fabrice » 07 Apr 2016, 21:23

He seems to face a serious problem why TVP 11.0.3 become zooming view lag on OSX.
hmmm ... not exactly. it sounds like this problem has always been here, even in the v10 (did anyone check with the v9 too ?).
Anyway, it didn't prevent whole films to have been animated on Mac, Red-Turtle is a good exemple.
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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by ten_zero » 08 Apr 2016, 02:27

Fabrice wrote: hmmm ... not exactly. it sounds like this problem has always been here, even in the v10 (did anyone check with the v9 too ?).
I was using with TVP v9 - v10.5 on Mac mini (i7 2-4 core, 16Gb memoy and FireWire 800 HDD for bootable system disc) and Mac Book Pro (2008) with Wacom intuos 4 S and EIZO (nanao) 24 fullHD monitor.
Anytime faced zooming (50 - 400%) lag.

More seriously problem I had since v9.x (with Safenet USB dungle) - v11.0.3 (trial version),
  • "wrong vertical text mode"
    "could not change from Microsoft Ariel Unicode (including many wrong kanji/kana character) to formal Japanese serif/san-serif UTF-8 font
    when I export storyboard by PDF and HTML"
    "desktop refresh bug when OSX using every 2 bite character languages - Mandarin, Bopomofo (Taiwanese Imput Method), Japanese, Mongolian, Thailand, Tibetan and etc)" on 64bit
  • QuickTime Player 7001.jpg

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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by schwarzgrau » 08 Apr 2016, 08:16

Fabrice wrote:
He seems to face a serious problem why TVP 11.0.3 become zooming view lag on OSX.
hmmm ... not exactly. it sounds like this problem has always been here, even in the v10 (did anyone check with the v9 too ?).
Anyway, it didn't prevent whole films to have been animated on Mac, Red-Turtle is a good exemple.
I can't imagine it was already there in version 10 or maybe it was, but not that strong, since I used a really heavy zoom on a lot of shots with tiny background-characters. I'm pretty sure I would have noticed such a lag. Maybe it's just some interference between the current OS X and TVPaint or some Wacom drivers and TVPaint or something like this.
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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by ten_zero » 08 Apr 2016, 10:32

May I ask your Mavericks-El Capitan "System Preferences" setting ?

There are my faced the root of crash TVPaint -10.5 and 11(trial version) & pen stroke lag list : Yosemite & El Capitan (UI basic language : Japanese).
Activitiy
  • shake mouce gesture to find mouse pointer (only El Capitan) : on/off ?
    menu bar transparency : on/off ?
    grayscale mode : on/off ?
    emphasize contrast : on/off?
Ink (especialy English/Français/Deutsche)
  • setting : on/off ?
    ink.png

Wacom tablet driver
  • option setting : Character recognition mode : on/off ?
    wacom.jpg

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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by Elodie » 08 Apr 2016, 11:30

ten_zero wrote:Activitiy
  • shake mouce gesture to find mouse pointer (only El Capitan) : off
    menu bar transparency : off
    grayscale mode : off
    emphasize contrast : off
Ink (especialy English/Français/Deutsche)
  • setting : off

Wacom tablet driver
  • option setting : Character recognition mode : on/off ? -> could not find this one
Both modes give the same result (but I'm using the first option, non the second)
Thank you for your help

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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by ten_zero » 08 Apr 2016, 12:10

Elodie wrote:
  • option setting : Character recognition mode : on/off ? -> could not find this one
Change_tablet_mode.jpg


Second, System preference "Ink" : off
and final, change Image

result :
In fact Wacom hardware that connected with Mac become "enable the second option" automaticaly.
However (you understand well), Wacom driver will exchange when the preference setting keep : 標準モード, means "preset".
Image


One more thing,
Change_tablet_mode2.jpg

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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by Elodie » 08 Apr 2016, 12:58

In fact Wacom hardware that connected with Mac become "enable the second option" automaticaly.
However (you understand well), Wacom driver will exchange when the preference setting keep : 標準モード, means "standard/preset")
But with me, "Standard" (1st option) or "Recognition Data" (2nd option) give the same result. I see no change.

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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by ten_zero » 08 Apr 2016, 13:01

Elodie wrote:But with me, "Standard" (1st option) or "Recognition Data" (2nd option) give the same result. I see no change.
As you wish.

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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by Lise » 08 Apr 2016, 13:04

日本語でもう一度説明していただけませんか。 :D
後でエロディーさんに通訳します。

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Re: TVP compared to Retas

Post by ten_zero » 08 Apr 2016, 13:55

Spoiler : written in Japanese :
お言葉に甘えて最初から、日本語で。

El CapitanをMac mini起動環境としてインストールした事が失敗の始まりでした。
特にOSX「システム環境設定」とのトラブルには閉口するばかり。

環境は2009年からMac mini(現在は2011モデル)と非Retinaモニター(DVI-D接続)・intuos 4 Small(Mac mini USB2コネクタ直結)です。
フォーラムに集う多くのプロが所有するMacPro・iMacモデルから見れば「役に立たない」低スペックですが、テキストツール・2バイト文字処理の問題を除きOS 10.6〜10.9環境のもとでTVPaint Animationの描写性能に問題を起こしたとは一度もありません


以下、ペンストロークの遅延や画面表示に問題の発生したYosemite・El Capitan「システム環境設定」をまとめます。
アクセシビリティ
  • マウスをシェイクして一時的にポインタを拡大表示する (El Capitanのみ設定可能) :
    有効にするとペンストローク遅延
    このオプションは初期状態:有効に設定されています。
    El CapitanはRetinaディスプレイ(5K)の運用を前提として開発されたんでしょう。
    ペンを走らせるたびにマウスポインタが無段階ズームを繰り返し(座標がズレる)、まともに描画できません。
  • 透明度を下げる :
    有効にすると画面描画にラグ・遅延(無駄な半透過装飾をOFFに出来ないのは困ります)
  • グレースケールモードで表示 :
    有効にすると画面描画にラグ・遅延
     普段から色温度5000K・グレースケール表示にしていた事で発覚。
  • コントラストを上げる :
    画面の描写にラグが発生(Yosemite以降のフラットUIは非常に分かりづらいので有効にしたいのです)

    殆どの「アクセシビリティ」設定がYosemite以降「TVPaint運用上の不安要素」に変わってしまいました。
    Yosemite・El Capitanの画面描写エンジン変更との関わりを疑っています。
Ink
  • 機能:有効
     AppleはFinal Cut Pro・MotionのジェスチャーコントロールにInkを利用しています。
     ほかは英語・フランス語・ドイツ語話者の手書き認識入力に利用されるくらいではないでしょうか。
     Windos OSの「手書き入力(波紋エフェクト)」機能同様、プロセスを停止してしまえばWacomドライバとの衝突は起こしません。

ワコムドライバ
オプション設定 : 文字認識モード:無効
  • 本来はintuos(元Bamboo)・Cintiq companion シリーズ(デスクトップモード)とWindows環境用の設定です。
    intuos Proシリーズは通常Macと接続すればタブレット側が自動的に読み取り面の分解能を切り替えてくれるのですが、
    ドライバ側の初期設定は最も低い分解能の「通常モード」がプリセットされています。
    皆さんが常日頃身をもって感じているようにWacomのドライバは「お利口」ではありません。
    両者の設定を「文字認識」に揃えておくのが無難というものでしょう。

    画像2枚目について
    「表示エリア」もTVPaintの運用状況に合わせマニュアル設定を心がけた方がよいと考えます。
    「縦横比を保持」有効化もお忘れなく。

蛇足
私はエイプリルフールの嘘ニュースやジョークが嫌いです。
しかし「2016年春、最新のハード性能を持つOS 10.9.5 /MavericksプリインストールMac mini登場!」という嘘ニュースが流れていたら諸手を挙げて喜んだことでしょう。

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