I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

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I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Soom » 10 Dec 2013, 21:28

I don't like that Out of Pegs Reset and Link functions are under one drop-down menu button. It has slowed down my workflow so badly, that I had to create a separate button for the Reset function, which just made my workspace more clunky. I almost never need to use the linking function and I don't mind it there, but the reset is something I use every minute, as I work on cleanup and inbetweening now. Please get it back to as it was and find another place for the linking function. These two by the way are quite unrelated, and should not be together.

As a suggestion for linking, I would add a new row under the light table, just like the out of pegs buttons row, just with individual linking toggles - that would make more sense to me than linking all of them or nothing.
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Fabrice » 11 Dec 2013, 10:02

interesting feedback thanks.
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Elodie » 17 Dec 2013, 11:46

Let's see what other TVPaint users think about it :)
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by elmisilhumano » 17 Dec 2013, 14:32

I'm not a big fan of it. I don't konw what to do with linked out of pegs so I don't need the popup for it.
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Elodie » 23 Dec 2013, 10:20

Yes but some users needed to linked the out of pegs. So where should be the access to that feature ?
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Paul Fierlinger » 23 Dec 2013, 10:59

Could someone then explain what that little option actually does? Maybe I'm missing out on something, because I often use linked sliders -- which I use by leaving the same Link Sliders under the main menu on. So what does this little one outside do that the inside one can't do? What does it do at all?
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Soom » 23 Dec 2013, 20:25

Paul Fierlinger wrote:Could someone then explain what that little option actually does? Maybe I'm missing out on something, because I often use linked sliders -- which I use by leaving the same Link Sliders under the main menu on. So what does this little one outside do that the inside one can't do? What does it do at all?
It lets you shift them out of pegs all at once instead of one by one.
Elodie wrote:Yes but some users needed to linked the out of pegs. So where should be the access to that feature ?
As I suggested - one more row of toggles (could be an expandable/collapsible row) that will have individual linking toggles. This way we will be able to toggle linkage of each frame separately, and see what is linked or not. Right clicking any of these toggles should bring a menu for linking/unlinking all of them or selected ones etc.
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Elodie » 24 Dec 2013, 07:27

Something like this ?
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You would choose the linked Out of pegs ?
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Soom » 30 Dec 2013, 16:54

Elodie wrote:Something like this ?
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You would choose the linked Out of pegs ?
Yep - just - again - instead of drop-downs, make just crosses, as it was before:
oop_tvp_xx.jpg
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Right clicking the XXs could bring a menu with more options (like "reset all", "reset linked only", "link all", "link visible only" etc.
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Kramme » 08 Jan 2014, 10:42

Soom wrote: Yep - just - again - instead of drop-downs, make just crosses, as it was before
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Peter Wassink » 03 Mar 2014, 17:06

i agree a more direct reset would be welcome.
but i don't like that second row much, this is getting too complicated "imho"
why not stick to that last suggestion by Soom: make the button an X and have the RMB give entry to a menu

also when "linked all" is ticked all the active OOP buttons should turn yellow.
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Soom » 04 Mar 2014, 12:09

Peter Wassink wrote:i agree a more direct reset would be welcome.
but i don't like that second row much, this is getting too complicated "imho"
why not stick to that last suggestion by Soom: make the button an X and have the RMB give entry to a menu
also when "linked all" is ticked all the active OOP buttons should turn yellow.
Well - the second row is just a suggestion for individual linkage possibility. right now the use of linked images is a bit limited. although I agree that adding more rows makes it less elegant. why not just let users to select the out-of-pegs transformation with SHIFT or CTRL or whatever, which will let you select multiple frames at once?!
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Elodie » 04 Mar 2014, 12:23

I must admit I'm not really fan of the second row either. That makes the interface heavier (yes, I know, it's just a drop in an ocean :mrgreen:).

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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Soom » 04 Mar 2014, 12:40

like this:
tvp_lt_linking.jpg
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Re: I don't like the new out-of-pegs Reset button

Post by Elodie » 04 Mar 2014, 13:56

I think a right click is more common than ctrl + click :)

But the idea is interesting
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