Move the pivot point of light table

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Move the pivot point of light table

Post by juansolimar » 05 Mar 2014, 03:36

it won't be great to have the option to modify the pivot point of the "temporarily shift the image displayed by the light table out of its pegs"?

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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Mads Juul » 05 Mar 2014, 07:43

+1
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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Elodie » 05 Mar 2014, 08:23

I agrre with that request, but only if the pivot point is thé same on all images. I mean, changing the pivot is Nice, but we couldnt have différent pivot points on several images.

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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by juansolimar » 05 Mar 2014, 21:11

Elodie, why cant make different pivot points in the light table?

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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Kramme » 06 Mar 2014, 09:38

juansolimar wrote:it won't be great to have the option to modify the pivot point of the "temporarily shift the image displayed by the light table out of its pegs"?
+1

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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Peter Wassink » 06 Mar 2014, 10:32

in the past i have argued for a pivot point that is in the middle of the view.
So i don't want to modify pivot points, it can be made automatic quite easily i think.
like this:
When you are zoomed in the pivot will be in the middle of the screen and thus automatically also be in the middle of the part where you are working.
and when you are zoomed out the pivot will be in the middle of the project.

when rotating the lightable image the position of the pivot is of no interest at all
it is all about being able to position the lightable image in the right angle.
and when the pivot is somewhere far away beyond the border of the screen, because you are zoomed in, you cannot rotate properly!
having a view centered pivot would fix that. and, not un-important, also avoid having to control movable pivot points.

its obvious i'd think, no?
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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Mads Juul » 06 Mar 2014, 11:08

Peter Wassink wrote:in the past i have argued for a pivot point that is in the middle of the view.
So i don't want to modify pivot points, it can be made automatic quite easily i think.
like this:
When you are zoomed in the pivot will be in the middle of the screen and thus automatically also be in the middle of the part where you are working.
and when you are zoomed out the pivot will be in the middle of the project.

when rotating the lightable image the position of the pivot is of no interest at all
it is all about being able to position the lightable image in the right angle.
and when the pivot is somewhere far away beyond the border of the screen, because you are zoomed in, you cannot rotate properly!
having a view centered pivot would fix that. and, not un-important, also avoid having to control movable pivot points.

its obvious i'd think, no?
I like it. And it sounds obvious!

What about the Pivot point always appears in the middle of the view. and then you should just make sure the point where you want to pivot you drawing is in the middle of the screen or it should be possible to drag it

But I also think it should be possible to scale the image no matter the zoom. So maybe a new interface for the editing of the scale and rotation and translation of the lighttable. would be good?
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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Robobob » 06 Mar 2014, 17:06

How about the idea that the out of peg would function more like the transform tool. So you always have a rectangle fitting exactly your drawing and not the entire screen?

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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Elodie » 06 Mar 2014, 17:08

Not possible : what if you animate a fly that becomes a giant dinosaur ? Too complex to develop unfortunately.

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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Robobob » 06 Mar 2014, 19:07

I understand perfectly Elodie. Some thing would probably take a lot of time to pull of programming wise. Not really a programmer myself so I wouldn't know. It's already very cool to have the opportunity to propose features and try to make the software even better according to the demands of professional users. I understand it's not possible to change the size of the parameters for the out of peg for each frame/instance makes sense. If it could be set once at the beginning so it's not covering the whole frame but just a specified portion which afterwards stays the same the whole time this would be an improvement also. Maybe this isn't possible neither no problem but the point is not that it has to change each instance. Just an option so it could be tweaked more precisely to allow more precision.

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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Peter Wassink » 06 Mar 2014, 22:18

Elodie wrote:Not possible : what if you animate a fly that becomes a giant dinosaur ? Too complex to develop unfortunately.
actually its the same thing as with the animation Disk.

you'd have to make sure the Transform UI always stays in the middle of the screen.

Please look at the animdisk, this also rotates around the point of the project that happens to be center screen.
and the UI is always the same size relative to the screen, even if you are extremely zoomed in, you still get to see the whole animation disk.

thats it.
We want the same for the lightable :mrgreen:
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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Robobob » 06 Mar 2014, 23:53

+1

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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by juansolimar » 07 Mar 2014, 02:48

Peter Wassink, I was about to say the same!!
if its too complicated to script to modify the pivot point freely, at least like the animation disk would be a huge help! :D

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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Elodie » 07 Mar 2014, 06:24

Peter, i was answering Juan about the possibility to reduce automatically the out of pegs hud following the drawing (just like transform tool does).

Concerning your proposal, i cant say, im not a devloper myself :p

Anyway, it looks like an Interesting idea. Ill talk about this when more People will be at tvpaint office (holidays + business trips).

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Re: Move the pivot point of light table

Post by Fabrice » 07 Mar 2014, 06:26

interesting discussion :)
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